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Wednesday, March 16, 2011

How To Lose 330 Pips In Less Than 10 Minutes

To get out of my euro/yen trade, I sent a market order to sell out. That's about the worst way you can close out a loser. I got flash-crashed. I tried multiple limit orders to get out, but to no avail. All the metaphorical terms I'd like to use to describe what happened to my trade, such as meltdown or tsunami,  have already been taken by those to whom it applies more urgently. No, I was simply impaled.

Here was my "quote" -- thinking. The euro/yen pair had entered a bullish trend on the dailies and I put macro aside for the moment for a simple swing trade scalp, thinking it was worth about 100 pips. This trade was placed prior to the Japanese earthquake. After the initial reports of the disaster became assimilated, the yen rallied. Hmmm, that's weird. You'd think a natural disaster would decrease a country's currency. I shrugged off the macro, refusing to probe this anomalous (in my mind) reaction. No, technically we're still good. Several days later, I couldn't take the pain and exited my long position for a 300+ pip loss. Now the nuclear meltdown was becoming front-and-center, and the yen continued a confounded rally. Turns out that my exit, although painful, was justified as the pair continued to plummet another 100 pips. That's how you lose 300+ pips in five days. Now the quicker method.

I was seduced by the siren of oversold. I listened to that nasty whisperer, who raised an ephemeral notion in my mind that maybe it was time to get back in, at a better price. Okay, but this time I'll be picky. I placed a limit order about 40 pips below the market. It may take a few hours to get filled, but I've got all day and night. I was filled in about 5 minutes. Hmm, I thought. That's weird. I looked at the price chart and noticed I was immediately in a 20 pip loser. Wow, I guess that's alright. I saved 40 pips.

Ten minutes later, I was reading confirmation codes with my CO about sending the ultimate exit -- the market order. But in the intervening minutes, I watched a stunning display. In the end, of course it was painful. With that loser, I've given back all my forex gains from last year.  I'm not interested in ignoring that. But I'm also more focused on something else. What can make a market move so fast and far in such a short time frame?

This was not the mysterious and eponymous flash crash that we all know and love. This was sudden and awesome,  but the move didn't come from nowhere. This is what, day three or four of the earthquake and aftermath?

Psychology (the mass hysteria type) and macro trump technical. Yes, at times the only thing moving markets are technicals, but once psychology and macro start participating, it's game over.

I should know better but I obviously don't. It is perilous to trade during times when the majority of market participants are confused about what's going on. You simply do not know what they're going to do, because they don't know.

I'm not going to conclude that you should never trade during these times, but do so with the knowledge that you can lose a substantial sum of your capital in a very short time frame. If you're like me and need to get hit over the head before you accept an obvious fact, then it may be worth the price. If you can learn from others, don't bother. But seriously, nobody really learns from watching others.

6 comments:

  1. That really sucks, been there.

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  2. Kinda off topic, but is that your airplane in the avatar? I saw a Hatts today and flew in a Luscombe 8E, first time in small aircraft in a long time.

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  3. tuition, bud...it happens. when is the next Ballantyne chat?

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  4. @derek are there Pell Grants for trading tuition?

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  5. Silly question, perhaps. Why don't you place stop orders on your trades? With forex, of all types, this seems most important. Particularly when your buy order is a limit below the market. Could fill you and just keep on going before you can do anything....as it did, I guess.

    Anyway, yeah, that's a pretty brutal move to get caught by. We've all done it. I got totally pantsed by the crude oil futures last year. Like you say, it seems we all have to learn the obvious stuff the hard way.

    After this move, you'd think getting long would make sense for a snapback, but Macro or whatever, the break below the Nov. low seems a pretty bad sign for any significant rallies any times soon. Here's what I'm seeing. http://screencast.com/t/a1OArk0St

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  6. @Matthew if I placed a stop at say 20 pips, I may have gotten in and out (with the loss) in about one second. More than likely, at that point I would say 'meh, that's the market for you'. And my knowledge of markets would not have progressed at all. This is a smack in the face I won't soon forget though. And by the time I'm finished sorting it out, my trading will have changed. This may not apply to others, but stops prevent me from learning more about markets. Also, I could with little effort devise a stop-based system that will destroy an account over time.

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